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blast off on another episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast hero paranormal

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broadcasting just

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south of the utah ufo ranch in the heart

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of shape shifter territory my name is

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ryan the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you an epic episode today we

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got somebody who

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well he's somebody i could talk to just

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about every day because he's not an

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armchair researcher he's always in the

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field always talking to the who

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who's who

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of just about every mystery conspiracy

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cryptozoological area

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the guy really networks and the guy

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really gets out there gets his hands

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dirty boots on the ground he's never

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just hanging out

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in fact i think he's on a traveling

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adventure as we speak so i really

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appreciate him coming on

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none other than awakening man

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you may also know him as eric the

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awakened adventurer he's always on an

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adventure always doing research and it's

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good research

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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eric hey buddy i'm excited to be back

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we've

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you and i both been doing so much

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research since we last talked that uh

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there's enough information that between

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the two of us

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and the and the people that we discuss

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our our research with that we could fill

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like volumes of books with i'm sure i

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was thinking the same thing and i was

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telling the listeners uh during the

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introduction

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how you are one of those researchers

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that i'm i'm seriously jealous of how

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often you're on adventures doing

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research doing recon you seem to always

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be out in the field you just got done

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with uh being out in the field or

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actually currently are

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and um it's amazing i want to kind of

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talk about

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this uh recent expedition you had uh and

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and what was found out there if what you

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can discuss because i know there are

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some some ndas involved in government

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ties but

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let's get into some of that if we can

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and also really quickly can you tell

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listeners about your own podcast as well

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which is fascinating

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uh interesting you should bring that up

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recently i i i went back onto youtube to

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to view my uh you from the youtube

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channel that i share with vinnie koshas

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to go and review some of the videos that

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the interviews that we had done

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and the channel was missing and i

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thought why why can't i not find this

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channel so i contacted vinnie

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and i said vinnie uh our youtube channel

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altered is is gone what what happened

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and she said eric she goes let me tell

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you what happened and i could tell that

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she didn't want to tell me because

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it happened and she didn't tell me maybe

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because she thought i would be upset

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which i wasn't really upset but i was

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very disappointed but anyway she said

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that um

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she was and she's very tech savvy she

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wouldn't have made a mistake but she

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said that she was uh downloading these

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the shows onto some other format or

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and then she went to click

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do whatever you do when you're working

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this everything that she had done was

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interview all those those interviews

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that we did

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were gone and i thought ah do you have

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copies of this she says no we don't and

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if you contacted youtube can you see if

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if we could maybe they've got it in some

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archive somewhere and we just

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and she says i've been trying to contact

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them and they don't respond they don't

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even respond to her they just ignore her

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so my if i was going to use my

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conspiratory uh you know mind here and

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think well i think probably if if they

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did shut us down like it appears they

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the that we had the fact that we had

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rick doty on there talking about the

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human hybrid program that's being that

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that we believe or that vinnie believes

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was being done out there at groom lake i

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mean it's such a wild story but there's

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there's some decent uh and high and

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quality information that might

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substantiate this that's going to come

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out in vinnie's book

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um they might not they might have just

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shut all that down they don't want that

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to be talked about i think that dodie

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dodie be willing to he talked about it

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um somebody must have saw that interview

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and decided we we can't have rick doty

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this and they just erased it all so we

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have no record of it which is really a

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drag man i heard that interview and i'll

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tell you there were some extremely

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volatile uh

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dangerous topics covered and you know as

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far as awakening man are there any other

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spots where you're online where people

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can follow you

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uh no here's what here's what i

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kind of learned oh and maybe you kind of

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learned too but you might be able to i'm

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sure you can relate to this is in the

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beginning like five years ago i was

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doing that show with john polk the

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quantum hologram matrix

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and i was traveling around and and

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meeting people like stan friedman and

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and uh

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what's his name up there uh travis got

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us wall let me know the list goes on i

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mean anybody that was ever at a

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conference that that had information

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that i thought was a good information or

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important information i was able to meet

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an interview on that show and then uh

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that's another show that you won't find

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the quantum hologram matrix shows

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anywhere but those were some of the best

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didn't have any filter we would just go

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whatever we want and this five years ago

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before you know the 2017 surge of uh ufo

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disclosure came about with the all the

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videos and the tic tacs uh we were kind

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of under the radar but but then those

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shows were have all been deleted

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and we can't recover those either those

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are all missing all that work that we

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did is missing so i kind of decided that

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okay i need to kind of just keep a lower

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profile because as you may know

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if you if you kind of pictures if i put

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myself in a high profile position where

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i've got a show or a podcast or a

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youtube channel or i'm always posting

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all my research um

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i i could to some degree be targeted i i

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believe that not maybe in a violent way

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but in a way where they would want to

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suppress my information or or try to

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debunk me or try to make me look crazy

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or silly i've already kind of

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experienced that on ufo twitter a little

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bit where some of the stuff that i put

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out is is too far down the disclosure

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road they're not people aren't ready for

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some of this information even

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information that you've collected uh

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i'll be willing to bet that in a few

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years some of this information will be

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out and you and i will have a beer one

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day and we'll say yeah we knew about

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that two years ago but we didn't we

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didn't want to risk it so we kind of

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kept it on the down low right

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yeah some of these you got to keep some

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of these things on the download because

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shadow banning has been around for a

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long time and it's practiced on almost

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all websites and social media platforms

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to ensure their they claim to ensure

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it's a safe space and youtube regularly

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makes changes to its algorithms that

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automatically block channels

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ai determines is violating their

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community standards the problem is well

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recently was super excited because i got

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an email from youtube saying hey you're

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monetized

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and i was like oh wow i've never even

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you know not in it for the money never

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really cared and i know you don't either

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but i thought oh hey this is perfectly

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cool i clicked on the link i went in and

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then it said never mind

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never mind it said never mind you uh

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what was the exact terminology never

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mind no super cats for you yeah nothing

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exactly like like you have the

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listenership but you don't meet the

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criteria and i started looking into it

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and there is it's just really whack it

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just seems like it's a game of

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whack-a-mole and

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and you never know what's gonna pop up

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you never know what they're gonna slam

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out of there and not want to be online

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sometimes you'll post something it just

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won't show up it's really it's really

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kind of uh discouraging but you're right

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you have to keep a lot of these things

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under wraps i know there's some um stuff

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on your recent expedition to uh

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uh i can i name the place where yeah go

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ahead i mean

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we asked go for it um i know you you

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were up there in upper stoney creek on a

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on a bigfoot hunt for lack of a better

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word and you ran into some mind-blowing

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things can we go into that a bit

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absolutely yeah that's a what's

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amazing is i live in california

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lived here my whole life and um

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you know when we were family we traveled

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around a little bit i've been to all the

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places you know shasta and and uh you

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know the other ski resorts and you know

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but i've never been to the sky of the

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sequoia forest before up there and i

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never even knew what was up there what

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it looked like and my friend of mine had

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he knows i'm into bigfoot and he wanted

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me he wanted to go check this out he's

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not really a researcher but he knew that

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i was into it so he he found this

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campsite up there

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and he says yeah we need to go up there

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he says i think it's i think there might

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be some things up there that we might

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find interesting so he we went up there

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for five days and um

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type rock structures up there uh you've

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probably seen those before where they

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where we have rocks kind of fitting with

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from a certain angle they appear as if

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almost like they were carved and at one

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point they looked like they might have

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been art because of just they might even

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look like they're creatures i mean i

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have pictures i'll send them to you

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maybe if you wanted to post them on your

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on your channel or whatever i don't have

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a problem with that but what i'm saying

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is when you go into the mountains and

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you're hiking around and you start

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seeing these massive rocks that are in

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the middle of the forest and there's no

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other rocks around you just you start to

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wonder

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how did these get here why are they here

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and and what was the purpose so your

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mind starts to go

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and then you know and then you start

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hearing stories and you hear you know

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hear about sightings and so on and so

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forth

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and you know and then the bill starts

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going off and ding ding ding ding you

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know like okay this this could be a hot

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spot so uh

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anyway i was telling you earlier before

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we went on air that i went into this

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store that's up there there's a gas

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station up there that also sells food

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and they have a restaurant

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and i'm just kind of looking around for

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what they got in the store and i see

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this bigfoot hat there and i'm thinking

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you know i've been to a lot of places

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where they sell bigfoot paraphernalia

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and it's usually in areas where people

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have claimed to have bigfoot sightings

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so i asked the lady at the cash register

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i said i noticed you guys got these hats

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here i says have you heard of any

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stories about bigfoot being sighted up

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here and there's two ladies there's

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one back there working and the one lady

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right away says

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uh yeah we've

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you know we have had some some stories

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and some sightings i says well can you

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give me an idea where this is and she

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says you need to go to the end of

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highway 180 it's kings canyon and also

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out in that area about 30 minutes drive

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before you get to the end there are some

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caves out there that i even knew existed

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and you can pay 16 go on a tour and you

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could go inside these crystal

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uh

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crystal granite mountain cave system and

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literally i've got pictures you it's

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it's like a whole nother world in there

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and i'm thinking well you know if if

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they found this

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and there's these massive mountain caves

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all over the place that that have never

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been explored because you can't some of

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these you can't hike up into they're

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just too steep and too far but you

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wonder you know if if bigfoot were to

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want to hide for example that would be a

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perfect place for them to go into the

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mountain and just just kind of hang out

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down there

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trip was like a scouting trip where i

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didn't actually do a lot of boots on the

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ground field research deep in the forest

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but i i found the area where i believe

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they could be based on the reports and

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the just the general vibe that i got

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from the area so we are going to go back

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maybe we can get you to come up there

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sometime

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um and then there's another area um

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shaver lake

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uh i think the road is 168 if i'm not

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mistaken it goes up to shaver lake and

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up to clear lodge

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and it goes into the sequoia sierra

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forest area

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and up in that area there's a there's a

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uh

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a forest

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station of course you know federal

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forest fighters they're up there they

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got their their little hut up there

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whatever they stay at

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and uh and how i got this information

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was the girl the other girl that was

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working at the at the cash register

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uh i said to her i said well i'm i just

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told her i'm a bigfoot researcher i says

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that you know do you know your eyes got

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kind of big and she says oh my god my

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friend just sent me this text two weeks

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ago

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i and i go can i see it so she shows me

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on her phone these pictures of these

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footprints and this guy's got a size 13

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hue next to this footprint that the foot

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itself on the footprint is at least

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twice as wide as a normal foot and it

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had to be no less than 19 or 20 inches

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i'm not exaggerating this put this print

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was huge and then there was another

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print that looked like a hand print that

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was inside the another a separate

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footprint where maybe whatever this

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thing was it had put its hand partially

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inside this the footprint and you could

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see this person's hand inside the

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handprint and the hand is huge too so

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then the guy tells the girl in the text

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message i says uh he's sending you all

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this information on this text message is

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that okay if i take pictures of this

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just so i can remember the story so he

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was yeah go ahead so i'm taking pictures

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with my phone off her phone

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of the conversation that she's having

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with this guy and i've got i'll send

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that to you too where he says uh and i'm

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not going to say his name or where this

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station is because i don't want to throw

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him into the bus but he doesn't work

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there anymore and i think this is why he

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told her this story but they had they

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were approached by some some agency

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within the government that works for the

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force agency because they had three

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encounters up there

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and they were told they had to sign an

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nda not to discuss it

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so this is a story that's not even out

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there so i'm hoping to get a hold of

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this guy

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and have a conversation with him and

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maybe he'll even take me to the area

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where this is if not

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um i'll get an idea where it is and i'll

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go up there with one or two guys and

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i'll find the area and then just see

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what i uh

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footprints are really hard to find i

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mean but if you could find tree

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structures

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then you know you struck gold because

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when you see four five six trees kind of

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woven together like a teepee

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that are huge logs like 40 50 60 foot

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long maybe around as big as around as

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your waist you know pinned up

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you know something was going on there

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that wasn't made by man and then that to

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me is an indication that whether they're

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there now they were there before i've

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seen these structures in several states

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so i get real excited because um

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i'm not really afraid of them although

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i've been told that there are certain

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areas in the united states like for

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example arkansas arkansas the the legend

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of boggy creek texarkana up there for

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whatever reason whether it's bigfoot or

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not i don't know but that creature up

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there that they call uh the boggy creek

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monster which is kind of like their

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bigfoot up there

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that guy or those people up there are

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not as friendly or they're not as

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forgiving as some of these other areas

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that you might hear about bigfoot

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encounters

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so uh anyway it's fascinating it's you

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know it's a shift away from ufos and uh

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skin walkers and uh and aliens

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to me it's a little more on the on the

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low-key side to me actually doing

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bigfoot research is a lot more relaxing

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than it is trying to do ufo research i i

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kind of find that more entertaining

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and you don't get a lot of the

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the characters and personalities that

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take it

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so personally uh

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i found and and you know i'm glad that

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you mentioned that non-disclosure

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agreement with the forest service i've

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seen

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those usda

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forest service uh ndas out of west

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virginia and

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um it's i understand well no i don't not

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really i don't really understand why

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they would do that when it's a national

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forest but i guess if you're an employee

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i get it but there is there's so much

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4-1-1 written all over this kind of

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stuff because

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you know

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these sensitive areas

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getting conditional access to sensitive

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areas with classified information

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the

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you know

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a lot of

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behind the scenes where people cannot

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gather it and these are technically kind

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of public places i mean you would think

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the national parks

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would be a place where there would not

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be much hidden but it's exactly the

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opposite

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yeah

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there's even

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uh

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back in i think it was 1970 or 68

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somewhere in that era the the fbi had

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done uh

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put out information about bigfoot i mean

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if somebody really wanted to try to

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figure out if it was real or not there

509
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is information out there that clarifies

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that that this is a legitimate

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phenomenon that that's not just some

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woo-woo story that you know harry and

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the hendersons you know it's that

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you know to me i i'm excited about

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bigfoot because i think i have the

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chance for me to potentially have an

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encounter or a sighting or an experience

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is tenfold compared to if i'm gonna have

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a ufo land uh you know out in the desert

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or or if an alien's gonna get out and

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come over and say hi i don't imagine

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that's going to happen but i do imagine

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that i could potentially have a bigfoot

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experience and that's why i'm out there

525
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doing it because i want to have these

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experiences because they're just so

527
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they're just exciting i mean you know

528
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you've got your spot out there at wolf

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creek i mean the stuff that you that

530
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we're not going to talk about too much

531
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on the air today but whatever you can

532
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share i'd like to turn the tables

533
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can you talk about some of the things

534
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i'm going to i'm going to be the

535
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questionnaire guy for a second you don't

536
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mind right tell me about your recent

537
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trip out there because the reason why i

538
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want you to talk about it because

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recently on twitter spaces there was a

540
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topic was skinwalker ranch and there

541
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were several people on there that are

542
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,080
not boots on the ground researchers

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these are armchair armcare youtube

544
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researchers who read a lot of

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information but aren't really

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interviewing people they're only it

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almost appears that

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people are looking

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for some people looking for a reason not

550
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to believe something so if somebody can

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put out some information that might be

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partially true partially disinformation

553
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uh that can verify their their belief

554
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system into thinking oh this that

555
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,160
student walker ranch it's it's being

556
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,000
exaggerated that stuff's not really

557
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:33,600
happening they're just trying to make

558
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,080
money and i'm thinking no no no that's

559
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:38,000
not what's happening but if you want to

560
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,360
believe that i'm not going to argue with

561
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,720
you because i got better things to do

562
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,640
with my time than to argue with somebody

563
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:44,320
who's never had an experience before

564
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,360
right

565
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:47,440
it's it's like

566
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,960
know it's not black or white there's

567
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:52,480
shades of gray

568
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,760
and i can recent recently uh luckily my

569
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,360
holding agreement with the television

570
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,440
company recently ended so i can speak a

571
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:01,039
little bit more forthright about this

572
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:01,840
now

573
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,320
but um yeah uh there is of course the

574
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,039
hollywood aspect that

575
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,200
you've you've got to figure there if

576
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,440
something is happening somewhere let's

577
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,240
say um you're filming ice road truckers

578
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,080
or something along that line

579
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,720
the likelihood of actually catching you

580
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:22,559
know them going off the road and having

581
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:25,600
an accident is highly unlikely in fact

582
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:28,960
uh practically zero so i understand the

583
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:32,320
hollywood aspect of why

584
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:33,440
these

585
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,640
production crews have to recreate

586
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,640
certain circumstances

587
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,240
which are

588
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,720
inevitably impossible to actually

589
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,679
document in real time and

590
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,240
um unfortunately when this happens

591
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,919
people perfectly explained it all is a

592
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,520
big huge hoax

593
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,880
so

594
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:55,520
it doesn't mean that

595
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:58,720
it's not happening so yes there are

596
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,640
powers in the area uh that are media

597
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,640
related that are definitely making a

598
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,280
killing um making money

599
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,280
doing uh doing things that are

600
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:10,640
entertainment

601
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,159
the area that are

602
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,039
making money providing entertainment

603
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,919
take that for what it's worth however

604
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:21,520
there are very

605
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,480
real

606
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,480
and you can take this to the bank

607
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,280
very real

608
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,080
manifestations

609
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,679
of dark adepts trickster persona shape

610
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,880
shifters

611
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:33,840
and

612
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:36,880
things such as cryptids elementals

613
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,640
dogmen um whatever you want to call the

614
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,960
trickster that has kind of permeated

615
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,000
this this area it is shapeshifter

616
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,880
territory there are very real and i

617
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,760
cannot i cannot emphasize this enough

618
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,000
very real things taking place which

619
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,840
cannot be explained can you catch it on

620
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,840
camera most of the time you can't i've

621
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:02,080
tried i've got cameras all over the

622
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,880
place

623
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,880
and when the real you you might catch a

624
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,440
little bit of the hui hit in the fan but

625
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:09,360
for the real

626
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:10,400
real

627
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,080
epic just jaw dropping instances it's

628
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,080
usually just out of frame the camera

629
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,520
shuts down

630
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,120
something else takes place there's

631
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,360
technical difficulties there's a power

632
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,000
outage for some reason strata networks

633
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,360
doesn't have the internet running at

634
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,480
that time

635
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,360
the stuff happens when it happens and

636
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,480
there's a that's i mean this is exactly

637
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:33,440
why

638
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:36,960
the unusual trickster has this this uh

639
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,760
is appreciated by you know

640
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,760
everyone because this is

641
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,960
they they are patient they wait they

642
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,720
wait for the right moment to do what

643
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:47,760
they do

644
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,919
it's gonna blow you away so i yes uh to

645
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,400
answer kind of a lame answer but to

646
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,960
answer your ques to answer your question

647
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,120
in a realistic way

648
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,679
it's a very real phenomena in my opinion

649
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,600
it has been for some time we've been

650
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,799
finding things that are not

651
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,280
explicable or we're not there we've

652
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,159
we've covered that property

653
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,960
with uh investigators looking for things

654
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,840
looking for items looking for tokens or

655
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,159
things left behind by some of these

656
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,000
things that are passing through many

657
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,400
times and yet

658
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,600
you'll go through for example with a

659
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,320
metal detector and you'll go through

660
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:34,159
certain areas quadra them off you know

661
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,840
make sure that kind of in a checkerboard

662
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,840
style you've covered all the bases

663
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,280
you'll find very little you know

664
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,400
remnants of a an rv we had there at the

665
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,880
base camp at spacewolf research that got

666
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,679
vaporized in the middle of the day by a

667
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,400
seeming lightning bolt and you'll you'll

668
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,480
catch little pieces of metal from that

669
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,320
and little little bits of this and that

670
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,679
but

671
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,840
recently we've been walking through for

672
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,200
example

673
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,000
again just doing another run because why

674
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,600
not you know what's the worst that can

675
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,000
happen and we're finding completely

676
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:09,279
different items we're finding uh

677
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,360
a barrage of old coins from the 1800s

678
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,400
that

679
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,720
in my opinion i could be wrong maybe the

680
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,840
wind kicked the dust off of them or my

681
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,440
metal our metal detectors weren't

682
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,440
working as good the first time

683
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,559
but the amounts of these coins and the

684
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,720
types of coins are absolutely

685
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:30,080
mind-blowing

686
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,400
and uh yeah the age the time period that

687
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,640
they all seem to fit in

688
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,760
is very odd um

689
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,320
one particular coin was a chinese coin

690
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,240
from the 1800s

691
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,200
that was most likely uh

692
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,240
that of a early businessman there in

693
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,679
fort duchesne

694
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,799
who

695
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,520
was known to have um started the first

696
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,720
mercantile um trading post for lack of a

697
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,640
better word had two

698
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,919
uh you tribal wives um really kind of a

699
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:06,159
force of nature this guy

700
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:07,120
and

701
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:12,400
of this verdant valley that i like to

702
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,360
call

703
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,760
um you know the ufo corridor or

704
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,679
shapeshifter territory

705
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,440
and it's right on the same side of this

706
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:22,320
base camp known as space wolf research

707
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,120
and

708
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,520
it's it's interesting the things you

709
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,200
find we have found little altars

710
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,640
recently

711
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,080
that appear to be made of skulls wood

712
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,320
and rocks that are placed in such a way

713
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,159
that

714
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,720
man i mean

715
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,679
they're

716
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,960
you're a smart guy and you're very

717
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,120
discerning i really actually

718
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,120
if and i'm you have a beautiful wife and

719
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,960
kids so you're you're family life you're

720
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,640
you're set that's your that's your path

721
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,039
but if you were a single guy dude i'd be

722
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,480
knocking on your door every day dragging

723
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,760
you out there because you'd be the

724
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,200
perfect research partner as far as i'm

725
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,480
concerned

726
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,880
it is it's it's one of those things this

727
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,720
i you know i

728
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,760
and i'm naturally i'm kind of i'm

729
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,600
blessed to have the family life because

730
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:09,679
if not i would probably be completely

731
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,200
mad i'm already pretty crazy but

732
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,720
you're not as crazy as me though that's

733
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:16,000
what i like about you though you kind of

734
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,750
keep me grounded

735
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,240
[Laughter]

736
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,919
but it's outrageous as you mentioned

737
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,919
it's outrageous the things happening in

738
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,320
certain parts of the southwest here in

739
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,720
the united states and other places

740
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,480
you know these shapeshifters these

741
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,200
hitchhikers that seem to be mysteriously

742
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,880
attaching themselves actually hold on

743
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,000
let me cut you off you mentioned

744
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,799
hitchhikers so i've heard these stories

745
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,640
and i don't dis and i don't disbelieve

746
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,640
them but have you personally or do you

747
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,159
know anyone personally

748
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,000
not the guys that worked at skinwalker

749
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,240
ranch or that still work there have you

750
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,640
got any kind of evidence or information

751
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,799
that might lead us to believe that that

752
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,039
this that this is real or that it's more

753
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,760
real than people realize 100 percent man

754
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,880
100

755
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,320
there's

756
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,440
it can be attributed to many things and

757
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,480
you know it could be it's very gin like

758
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:06,880
to not get middle eastern on it but it's

759
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,840
very gin like these invisible forces

760
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,960
these beings which aren't visible to us

761
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,880
but yet they inhabit

762
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,520
this earth and it seems as if they can

763
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,559
cause these um

764
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,159
these attachments these quantum

765
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,039
entanglements in certain areas near

766
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,000
vortexes and portals

767
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,919
and high strangeness they can they can

768
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:32,080
quantumly entangle themselves with the

769
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,200
observer

770
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,600
and then go home with them for lack of a

771
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,320
better word and manifest

772
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,760
at will

773
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,240
the thing i've noticed the most

774
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,640
is um

775
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,200
children's toys here because i have kids

776
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,120
we've got many children's toys in the

777
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,120
backyard that are electronically

778
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,159
operated

779
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,320
they uh have batteries or you plug them

780
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,320
into the wall little riding scooters

781
00:28:03,269 --> 00:27:59,600
little writing you know silly stuff

782
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,279
sometimes these things will all fire up

783
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,880
and it's enough to just

784
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:08,960
you just want to shriek with this

785
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,679
mysterious threat that kind of and i

786
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,679
know i i've been in this game long

787
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,360
enough that i know that it's just

788
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,880
wanting attention and it wants

789
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:19,039
interaction that's the beautiful thing

790
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,320
about the trickster and what i love

791
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,320
about it so much it just it wants to

792
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,720
communicate any way it can

793
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,840
however i've heard very tragic other

794
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,640
circumstances where it manifests in much

795
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,880
darker malevolent ways so i guess i'm

796
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,679
blessed that it's usually quite playful

797
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,919
in my opinion

798
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,640
but it is also if you're not used to it

799
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,399
or ready for it it can definitely freak

800
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,360
you out i recently had my mom

801
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,440
up there at the base camp at spacewolf

802
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:49,039
research and

803
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,919
she

804
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,559
uh took a backpack

805
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,279
and um

806
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,279
to to put it lightly this thing was

807
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,200
pretty packed with stuff

808
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,799
you know she said i definitely want to

809
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,080
stay out there with you she's a little

810
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,679
older in age i'm like mom i'm not sure

811
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,279
if you want to stay out there and she's

812
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,520
like oh yeah you know i'm used to this

813
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,559
tie this doesn't scare me

814
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,360
and uh we had a couple events out there

815
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:16,399
that were very inexplicable um very

816
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,240
frightening one event was a

817
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,960
well i'll just tell you what happened i

818
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,520
it was about 1 15 a.m

819
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,320
and i heard outside i heard what sounded

820
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,399
like my car doors opening and closing

821
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,880
which is actually quite common

822
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,320
and that's

823
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,000
i've had this happen before and others

824
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,360
have as well

825
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,559
and i looked up and out and from where

826
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
we were sleeping and i saw what appeared

827
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,880
to be two flashlights going around the

828
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,840
car

829
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,000
so i was still kind of waking up i said

830
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,000
mom i'm gonna put my boots on and go out

831
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,600
there i think couple people might be

832
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,520
messing with the rig

833
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,240
i went out the uh

834
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,840
i went out of the sleeping quarters

835
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,520
towards the vehicle

836
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,480
and i was very still very quiet i heard

837
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,600
zero footsteps saw zero lights there was

838
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,880
absolutely no nothing and nobody there

839
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,880
well then i saw

840
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:11,760
a

841
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,600
ground

842
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:26,240
it had zero point of origin

843
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,440
um

844
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,360
you could not you could not see where it

845
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,840
was coming from it had an angle to it

846
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,520
which could perfectly be seen but there

847
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,520
was no origin like there was nothing

848
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,240
there it was coming from nowhere

849
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,279
and i even got in the spotlight

850
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,360
this beam of light coming down on the

851
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,240
ground near the campfire ring

852
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,720
and i was trying to cast a shadow onto

853
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,279
the ground and i could not cast a shadow

854
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:53,039
at this point i'm thinking is this real

855
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,880
light by now my mom had come and she was

856
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,880
witnessing what was taking place and she

857
00:31:01,509 --> 00:31:00,159
yelled my name

858
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,519
and to her it must have looked like i

859
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,440
was being abducted by aliens because

860
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:06,320
there was a spotlight of this this light

861
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,919
coming out of you know the air i'm in it

862
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,399
near the campfire ring

863
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,320
and i said get over here mom come here

864
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,720
it's totally harmless and she walked

865
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,880
over and came over and she stood in the

866
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,080
light with me

867
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,720
and i showed her how you could not

868
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,640
cast a shadow on it

869
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,320
and then it would go off and then it

870
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,919
would come back on

871
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,720
and

872
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,360
anyway the the function was she she

873
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,120
remains a believer at this point by any

874
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,200
any

875
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,840
measurement and uh

876
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,000
back to the not to get tangential but

877
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,840
back to the backpack she brought on this

878
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,640
trip

879
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,840
when when we got back uh we were in

880
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,919
actually we were down in southern utah

881
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:51,840
checking something else out

882
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,200
and um she put her backpack up on the

883
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,279
bed of this hotel

884
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,080
and that backpack which was very loaded

885
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,399
with a lot of stuff quite heavy

886
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,120
flew off the bed we both witnessed it it

887
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,519
just flew off the bed

888
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,679
and she looked at me like a rocket you

889
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,360
know and she looked at me and she's like

890
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,519
you're kidding me and i said now you

891
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,600
know this this happens don't freak out

892
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,840
about it it's quite normal

893
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,559
and i i tried to kind of rather nicely

894
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,200
capture the uh idea of the hitchhiker

895
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:24,640
effect to her so that it didn't scare

896
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:27,919
her but it it's very real so um to the

897
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,200
naysayers i get it there is a human

898
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,559
aspect that monopolizes monetarily on

899
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,399
some of these things that's you know

900
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,320
given the track record of humanity that

901
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,399
is just the way things work themselves

902
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,360
out but it doesn't mean that it's not

903
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:44,960
really happening i mean just because

904
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,399
there's a lemonade stand in front of old

905
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,720
faithful the geyser it doesn't mean the

906
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,480
geyser's not real it just means you can

907
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,399
get a glass of lemonade on the way to

908
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,679
see it so

909
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,880
i don't know if that answers your

910
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,200
question no that does that that's uh

911
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,360
that's interesting because um

912
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:02,640
you know

913
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,360
finding bigfoot searching for bigfoot

914
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,440
going you know of all these shows

915
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,200
uh that they've had and then now they've

916
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,960
got the skinwalker show and they've had

917
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,559
that for a while they've got the blind

918
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,399
frog ranch show and

919
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,840
there's there's like what was it what's

920
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,360
that show where there or those two

921
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,360
brothers are always digging for gold

922
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,919
that's been on for 10 years now what's

923
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:26,080
oh is this the uh

924
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,260
well there's so many

925
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,559
[Laughter]

926
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,320
there's so many the brother

927
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,320
the brothers i'm trying to two brothers

928
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,440
they're they're out there they've been

929
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,279
digging for something like lost treasure

930
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,279
on this island oak island oh yeah yeah

931
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,279
yeah okay yeah so

932
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,120
so i mean if you if you watch these

933
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,200
shows and you follow the narrative and

934
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,519
then you here's here's my interpretation

935
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,279
of what's happening is uh

936
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,120
the people that are allowed to have

937
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,840
these shows and i say allowed to and i

938
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,760
don't mean that and i mean it you know

939
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,919
what i mean it's like you know you could

940
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,159
have a show for example but unless

941
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,000
you're going to subscribe to the

942
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,720
narrative and the protocol they're not

943
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,720
going to give you the show

944
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,360
so i it's my my impression is that some

945
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,560
of these shows

946
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,320
um they're they're using this

947
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,159
information because they know it's real

948
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,839
but they're kind of down playing it

949
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,359
sugar coating it a little bit kind of

950
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,760
maybe even making it seem not as freaky

951
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,040
as it is but

952
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,480
but the the deal is there it's a

953
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,040
narrative control situation like i i it

954
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,800
seems to me like even the skinwalker

955
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,879
show um and i'm not talking trash about

956
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,480
the skinwalkers though i mean i i don't

957
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,079
really i don't watch it anymore i

958
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,760
watched it in the beginning but i didn't

959
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,919
get a vibe from it that really told me

960
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:34,639
that

961
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,639
it just it had a kind of a intelligence

962
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,480
vibe to it you know what i said just

963
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,560
this guy and travis now apparently

964
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,639
admitted that he was uh

965
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,480
part of you know

966
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,240
they somehow these guys always get on

967
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,919
these shows that either used to work for

968
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,320
the cia maybe they were contractors or

969
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,760
maybe they didn't work for the cia maybe

970
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,440
they worked for some other agency but

971
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,280
the point is that all the information

972
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,280
that's coming out in these shows is

973
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
monitored in my opinion it is carefully

974
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,200
crafted and maybe they

975
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,440
what it appears is happening is things

976
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,440
are happening but they are never able to

977
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,359
capture it on video so they just

978
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,920
recreate it and then they put it on tv

979
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,000
so they let people know that yeah this

980
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,839
happened and then here it is no big deal

981
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,520
don't worry about it and it kind of

982
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,920
satisfies people's curiosity but but

983
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,680
it's all sugar-coated right do you get

984
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,280
that impression too

985
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,160
you have brought up something so big uh

986
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:31,200
to include in this podcast and that is

987
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,160
um

988
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,160
the important

989
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,000
possibly the most important thing about

990
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,280
these uh

991
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:41,040
the these

992
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:42,119
media

993
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,079
organizations um i i'm currently i have

994
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,640
been for some time and i

995
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,119
been approached by

996
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,680
these television conglomerates

997
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,640
and

998
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,560
they

999
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,599
want

1000
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,000
and

1001
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,079
it's it's tough because i play ball a

1002
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,599
little bit back and forth with the uh

1003
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,040
with the holding agreements here and

1004
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,560
there and the

1005
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:09,920
and um

1006
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,880
for times short time periods ndas and

1007
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
you know

1008
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,079
going back and forth with the zoom

1009
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,240
meetings and seeing if there's chemistry

1010
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,359
tests

1011
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,440
uh to see if you get along with other

1012
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,079
people they want to have on the shows

1013
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,960
now the the phenomenal thing is and this

1014
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,920
is why i'm probably a problem

1015
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:31,440
is

1016
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,920
there's so much real

1017
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:37,359
real

1018
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,599
decision

1019
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:42,880
that

1020
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,320
it it's got it's got to be a real tasty

1021
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,720
bait on that hook for me to bite

1022
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,599
and

1023
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:52,320
um because i don't want to give up the

1024
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,200
reel

1025
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,200
for something that

1026
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:56,960
is uh

1027
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,079
manufactured it's somewhat yeah a little

1028
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,640
bit uh fully manufactured it's like a

1029
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,720
hybrid story that's got truth and

1030
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,720
manufacturing blended together for the

1031
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,480
television on the audience is what it

1032
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,200
seems like it does i've had some tv

1033
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,119
experience and i know it's a slippery

1034
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,079
slope so the temptation is there

1035
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,119
um i'm i'm always in talks i'm currently

1036
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,480
in talks

1037
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,560
and it is

1038
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:24,480
i'm not against it

1039
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,119
but i i have to be very true to myself

1040
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,640
because

1041
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,720
it's difficult there are humans are a

1042
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,760
gullible lot and um

1043
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:37,359
they're always ready to believe

1044
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,800
something and they they

1045
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,200
i understand that we all want to believe

1046
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,359
that our existence here

1047
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:46,400
is

1048
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,720
that we can't see because then that that

1049
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,960
adds credence to the afterlife or the

1050
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,680
possibility of reincarnation or other

1051
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,640
species and i'm all about that i'm i'm

1052
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,359
with that 100 percent if i could

1053
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,920
somehow legitimately prove that to the

1054
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,040
masses

1055
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,200
in a way that is um structured correctly

1056
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,800
and not

1057
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,520
not

1058
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,839
over inflated or blown out of proportion

1059
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,680
i'd be the first one to sign in blood on

1060
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:18,000
that document and be like let's do it

1061
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:19,960
but yeah

1062
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,880
unfortunately there's undoubtedly these

1063
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,760
forces that i mean you've got to

1064
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,359
i think the term

1065
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:29,280
in hollywood is jumping the shark there

1066
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,480
was a

1067
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,720
there was uh you know

1068
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,800
the uh

1069
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,760
basically there was a tv series

1070
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,839
um oh i cannot remember the name of it

1071
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,119
what's the fonz the fonz was on it

1072
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,599
the happy days and they kept having to

1073
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,560
get you know more and more watchers and

1074
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,880
i think the fawns this particular

1075
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:53,440
episode the fonz was out

1076
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,640
surfing

1077
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,960
you know with his perfect hair

1078
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,000
and i remember that

1079
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,760
and a shark

1080
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,839
a shark tries to attack him and he jumps

1081
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,240
over the shark and so they call it

1082
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,560
jumping the shark in media

1083
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,400
and that's the problem eventually you're

1084
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,640
gonna have to jump over the shark or do

1085
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,760
something that is that goes against your

1086
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,720
morals in some way shape or form either

1087
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,880
recreating something or making something

1088
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,960
seem a bigger deal than it really is and

1089
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,680
i have i've i've unfortunately i do have

1090
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,560
some issues with that so i do too yeah

1091
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,720
it sucks it sucks i wish i would

1092
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,400
sometimes i wish i was more sheeple in

1093
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,680
nature

1094
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,599
well you know here's the deal they they

1095
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,760
seem to okay here's my opinion this is

1096
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,920
and i i have no evidence i'm not gonna

1097
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,440
if i did have evidence i'm not going to

1098
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,560
provide it but i'm just going to tell

1099
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,119
you my opinion is that these people that

1100
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,200
are able to be a part of these shows

1101
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,040
some of them i believe

1102
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,990
with this right they

1103
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,000
in all likelihood they have had

1104
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,079
conversations with with some el

1105
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,000
intelligence agency and they've been

1106
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,079
approved to do to be a part of these

1107
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,000
shows okay i'll just say that part the

1108
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,200
other part would be

1109
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,119
some of the guys that that might be

1110
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,720
working on the show that are actually

1111
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
there on you know being seen in the

1112
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,400
videos like look whether they're

1113
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,640
security or whatever or they're just

1114
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,079
there because they've got a title that

1115
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:18,000
they were a scientist or a physicist or

1116
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,119
they're a

1117
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,520
bodyguard whatever their title is and

1118
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,000
they they might get you know who knows 5

1119
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,720
000 10 000 15 000 an episode whatever

1120
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,000
the number is

1121
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,680
and to them

1122
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,680
in their in their world

1123
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,520
that's a nice paycheck and they don't

1124
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,920
really have any skin in the game

1125
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,880
and

1126
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,400
they get to be they get to have a little

1127
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,480
popularity you know they get to show up

1128
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,720
at these conferences and you get people

1129
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,880
flocking to them and and so maybe that's

1130
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,800
what maybe there's some ego involved in

1131
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,960
driving them to just go ahead and just

1132
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,480
say you know what i'm not in this for

1133
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,760
the research

1134
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,280
i'm in this because it's it's

1135
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,720
interesting it's fun and i'm getting

1136
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,599
paid

1137
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,599
so you're not getting the full sincere

1138
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,880
genuine

1139
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,560
um impression

1140
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:02,800
that that really actually exists if you

1141
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:04,839
were there in person to experience it

1142
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,200
yourself man you just dropped a serious

1143
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,560
this is so true man serious serious

1144
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,640
knowledge bomb because

1145
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,440
yes

1146
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,200
there is always

1147
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,040
something motivating and

1148
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,440
i i don't want to name names but yes

1149
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,560
there are

1150
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,079
a lot of times with this okay for

1151
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,960
example um this recent uh

1152
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,079
whoops or oh just so you know

1153
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,480
the uh nasa scientist

1154
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
is this guy and he just happens to be

1155
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:36,400
doing this for this

1156
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,480
there is even another layer to this

1157
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,839
and and that layer is

1158
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,160
well i guess there's more nasa

1159
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,480
scientists that have been involved in

1160
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,280
the true invisible college

1161
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,359
who are being protected

1162
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,680
by the very fact

1163
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,240
that this name was leaked to kind of

1164
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:01,200
draw attention as a decoy from them

1165
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,400
and

1166
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,839
so you're absolutely right the

1167
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,520
intelligence community is always

1168
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
involved and um

1169
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:10,480
this particular individual

1170
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,240
i won't name him but he is known as

1171
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,520
in diana pasulka's book american cosmic

1172
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,160
he is known as tyler durden

1173
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,079
i've heard of this guy yeah

1174
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,710
oh boy

1175
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,400
he is the

1176
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,319
he's the real deal he's at the top he's

1177
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,520
at the top of the chain up there

1178
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,280
somewhere on the top of the the food

1179
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,760
chain uh in terms of what's really he

1180
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,560
knows right this guy

1181
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,599
oh dude he he's a co-founder of endius

1182
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,920
incorporated a surgical device company

1183
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,160
specializing in spinal products he

1184
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,920
started his career at nasa where he was

1185
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:49,440
part of the space shuttle challenger

1186
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,119
investigation he holds 13 patents and is

1187
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,480
a frequent

1188
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,640
lecturer to aspiring entrepreneurs he's

1189
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
somebody that i truly admire some people

1190
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,680
are super scared of him because

1191
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,520
he is known to

1192
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,480
document videotape and record every

1193
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,680
conversation it reminds me of you but

1194
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,000
i like that about you and so i don't see

1195
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,680
that as a bad thing i see that as a

1196
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,000
motivating thing but and you know his

1197
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,319
explanation is i do this because i don't

1198
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,480
want to forget anything what if i have a

1199
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,960
super awesome conversation with somebody

1200
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,800
we're investigating something that could

1201
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:27,920
very well be mind-blowing from a cosmic

1202
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,359
level and i don't want to miss

1203
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,400
a beat

1204
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,119
and that's why yeah i get it agree and

1205
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,119
that's that's exactly why i do it it's

1206
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,680
uh i've got dude i've got she's

1207
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,200
if somebody i don't need i don't need

1208
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,119
the money but i'll say this if somebody

1209
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,040
came to me let's say

1210
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,720
it would take at least

1211
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,240
i don't want this to sound egotistical

1212
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,480
it would take at least 100 grand

1213
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,800
to get me to unload unleash my vault of

1214
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,400
videos and recordings that i got i

1215
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,599
wouldn't even

1216
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,359
consider doing it i mean i've got

1217
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,960
conversations that i had with clifford

1218
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,119
mahouti that have never been played oh

1219
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,720
man i've got information about clifford

1220
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,800
mahouti from his son skip mahouty that i

1221
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,119
recorded after he died at his home

1222
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,119
that uh i'll share with you privately so

1223
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,440
here's what's beautiful about this is uh

1224
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,200
i could hear people like you i trust or

1225
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,560
some other people i trust i'll share

1226
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,560
privately this stuff but but you if i

1227
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,800
put this out there uh on on the public

1228
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,720
forum i'm gonna get attacked i'm gonna

1229
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,640
get uh torn up you know and i don't want

1230
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,400
to put my i get angry about that so i

1231
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,760
just don't even bother sharing a lot of

1232
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,119
the stuff that i have

1233
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,520
because i'm not out to improve impress

1234
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,680
anybody or i'm not trying to make money

1235
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:33,119
off this i would have to drop a lot of

1236
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,079
cash

1237
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
even clifford stones another guy i mean

1238
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,000
i i went to his house out in roswell i

1239
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,839
think it was 2018

1240
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,839
uh uh and and spent the whole day there

1241
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,920
and got to be in his room and and saw

1242
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,880
all his rooms full of files and he

1243
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,960
showed me documents and i said he was

1244
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,560
letting me take pictures of some of the

1245
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,560
documents but then sometimes he would

1246
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,160
every now that he'd bring out a document

1247
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,760
he'd say now i'm going to show this to

1248
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,680
you but you can't take a picture of this

1249
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
but you can read it and so i would see

1250
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,760
it and then i would say ah

1251
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,760
so quickly stone isn't crazy he's not

1252
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,599
just some crazy old man making up these

1253
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:07,839
stories here's i've seen the documents

1254
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,200
i've seen his research i've seen

1255
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200
so you know you're you just know after a

1256
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,720
while through intuition through your own

1257
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,880
experiences your own research who to

1258
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,720
believe and who who maybe you don't want

1259
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,960
to necessarily put the the approval on

1260
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,119
yet but but yeah you could the puzzle

1261
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,440
pieces can be put together and i feel

1262
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,800
there are people out there that just

1263
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,400
don't have the time or the ability to go

1264
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,480
out and do this research but but yet

1265
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,400
they they kind of stay on that skeptical

1266
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,760
fence and sometimes that could be

1267
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,000
irritating because they might be uh

1268
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,760
you know putting some poo poo on places

1269
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,599
like the skinwalker ranch and some of

1270
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,079
these other places because the narrative

1271
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,839
is being controlled and so they're

1272
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,119
believing that the people that are

1273
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,359
putting out the narrative are are

1274
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,200
telling the truth but then they find out

1275
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,480
that they're maybe they're not telling

1276
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,560
the truth completely so then they try to

1277
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
debunk the whole thing and i'm like no

1278
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,880
no no no don't kill the baby out with

1279
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,720
the bad bath water that's not what's

1280
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,880
happening but i can't prove it to them

1281
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,040
so it's just my words i call just words

1282
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,880
in the air they really don't have any

1283
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,960
meaning until somebody gets out there

1284
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,280
and actually sees for themselves what is

1285
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,359
happening and it has an experience if

1286
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,720
people if there's people out there

1287
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:14,160
trying to act like they're experts on

1288
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,440
this stuff and they've never had an

1289
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,440
experience i don't spend a lot of time

1290
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,880
listening to them i just don't have the

1291
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,800
time for it you know

1292
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,839
that's such a good point because the

1293
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,480
the mind-blowingness of

1294
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,560
these experiences

1295
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,079
is what

1296
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,839
a lot of people are missing you know

1297
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,000
they're following the money trail

1298
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,680
and unfortunately and you know i'm i'm

1299
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,920
guilty of this as well as every other

1300
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,240
human being

1301
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,560
people view the elites or anybody making

1302
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,119
more money than themselves as knowing

1303
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:48,960
something that they don't and there's an

1304
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,680
instant amount of jealousy and envy that

1305
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,839
arises and it's just a human

1306
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,640
characteristic where were self-centered

1307
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,680
um by our very nature when we had to be

1308
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,319
if you consider you know evolution and

1309
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,720
anthropomorphically how how you know how

1310
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,520
we've evolved over the millennia this is

1311
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:10,400
a normal human emotion and very

1312
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,280
you know

1313
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,040
the alpha dog in a pack is always envied

1314
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,960
by you know the runts

1315
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,839
and

1316
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,480
you got to remember that it's it these

1317
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,319
are kind of comparing apples to oranges

1318
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,400
though because these are normal human

1319
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,480
emotions but in the greater scheme of

1320
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,440
things it doesn't mean the alpha dog or

1321
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,880
this particular

1322
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,280
person or people or entities or

1323
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,520
companies or media whatever

1324
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,640
these it does not mean that there isn't

1325
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,720
something really going on it just means

1326
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,400
that they have other motivational

1327
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,240
factors which are also included in the

1328
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,240
mix and i think you put that really well

1329
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,920
eric

1330
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,760
right on well hey let's backtrack for a

1331
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,839
second because i want i don't you might

1332
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,359
have told this story on the air before

1333
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,720
hopefully you can tell it again right

1334
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,800
now but when i the first time i actually

1335
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,119
met you in person was at that conference

1336
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,119
in uh in las vegas when uh when uh when

1337
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,680
jeff rennell and brad olsen was there

1338
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,839
and we he called you up i think it was

1339
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,280
and invited you to come out and hang out

1340
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,280
we had we had dinner and a couple beers

1341
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,520
or whatever and you allowed me which i

1342
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,040
thought i thought was super cool you

1343
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,480
started telling stories and i thought oh

1344
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,079
my god this story is amazing can i

1345
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,240
record it and you allow me to record it

1346
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,839
i haven't played that publicly by the

1347
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,760
way i've shown a few little clips of it

1348
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,160
to a few friends but but anyway so the

1349
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,680
story that i would like you to tell

1350
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,839
again and i'll lead you up to it was you

1351
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
were out there with another researcher i

1352
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,200
won't mention their name but you know if

1353
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,960
you want to mention it that's up to you

1354
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,559
and you were doing some research and

1355
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,640
you're out on the mesa close to where

1356
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,720
your property is and you were just kind

1357
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,040
of scoping out the the land in the night

1358
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,960
time there and you were looking down

1359
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,720
uh into the area where the skinwalker

1360
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,200
ranch is and you could see people down

1361
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,400
there or at least people with

1362
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,319
flashlights whatever and they were kind

1363
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,160
of walking around doing their their

1364
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,599
surveillance or whatever they're doing

1365
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,880
they're kind of just scoping it out to

1366
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,480
make sure all's good before they go to

1367
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,440
bed

1368
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:01,040
and i'm gonna i'm gonna say this last

1369
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,240
part and then i'm going to stop and let

1370
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,000
you take the story from there but you

1371
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,319
said that you could see these balls of

1372
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,760
light or whatever they were there was

1373
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,400
some some sort of light object

1374
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,640
manifested behind the heads of these

1375
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,400
guys that were out walking around and

1376
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,559
apparently they didn't even realize

1377
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,400
that this light object was following

1378
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,240
them around as they're kind of doing

1379
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,559
their groundwork and then

1380
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,400
and then what happened after that right

1381
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,160
please tell that story bro that's such a

1382
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,400
great story man you have brought

1383
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,400
something up that uh

1384
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,800
this recently um

1385
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,640
came to light again

1386
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,359
uh at uh there was some camera

1387
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:38,880
and i'll just go into this really quick

1388
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,040
before going into that uh camera at um

1389
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,359
at space wolf research

1390
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,160
that was pointed in a direction that you

1391
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,960
would think would just catch wildlife

1392
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,079
um

1393
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,200
did exactly that it caught a deer

1394
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,359
walking in front of the camera

1395
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,640
and as you've mentioned there was one of

1396
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,280
these orbs of light

1397
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:05,920
over the deer right behind it

1398
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,040
and basically following its every move

1399
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,559
now

1400
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,240
i think it's important to point out that

1401
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,160
this is a deer this is something that

1402
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,160
was born

1403
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:17,359
in

1404
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,559
it can hear a cricket chirp from 20 feet

1405
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,800
away and will take off

1406
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,839
and

1407
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,720
yet

1408
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,000
this

1409
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:34,240
precognitive sentient

1410
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,280
light

1411
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,400
is

1412
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,680
functioning

1413
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,440
and following

1414
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,640
stalking

1415
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,800
an animal that has lived in these

1416
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,960
surroundings its entire life

1417
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,640
so

1418
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,720
it that kind of fast forwards into the

1419
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,160
story you mentioned

1420
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,760
um and these individuals that were being

1421
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:54,960
uh

1422
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,720
also i guess sort of followed stocked

1423
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,960
um followed around

1424
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,280
in in these in this area

1425
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,760
these individuals i've come to befriend

1426
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,760
them they're the best of the best

1427
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,480
military they've been there they've seen

1428
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,040
combat they've done that they they

1429
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,119
they're very aware of their surroundings

1430
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,920
they would know if somebody was crouched

1431
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,640
75 yards away in the middle of a dark

1432
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,640
night because they know trust me and

1433
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,240
and yet

1434
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,640
um they were unaware

1435
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,240
that these

1436
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,319
sentient

1437
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,040
transient plasma

1438
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:37,760
phenomenal light sources are following

1439
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,640
them around doing who knows what and

1440
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,599
that i think that's the key of the story

1441
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,720
is

1442
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,359
what are they doing they were able

1443
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:49,839
to follow these guys around and for all

1444
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,880
intents and purposes they may have been

1445
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,880
following us around

1446
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,839
and communicating to each other in in

1447
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,520
some sort of way

1448
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,680
they're stalking and roaming these

1449
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,240
badlands with reckless abandon these

1450
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,950
well you said plasma let me cut you off

1451
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,359
real quick yeah you said plasma

1452
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,520
actually that was a a twitter spaces

1453
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,160
conversation that happened last night

1454
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,839
i'll send that link to you on twitter

1455
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,760
but that was a fantastic conversation a

1456
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,000
lot of the informative intelligent

1457
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,920
people were involved but but the plasma

1458
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,920
thing i first heard from jay weidner

1459
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,559
five years ago and i'm i'm pretty sure

1460
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,640
what i saw on happy jack a couple years

1461
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,440
ago

1462
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:33,920
if i had to put a label on it it wasn't

1463
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,880
a spacecraft it wasn't an orb it looked

1464
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,119
like a giant ball of plasma

1465
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,720
what i would imagine plasma looked like

1466
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,040
because it wasn't like a clear like the

1467
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,800
moon it was the the the round circle was

1468
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,119
undulating and it looked like there was

1469
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,440
energy coming off this thing and it was

1470
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,760
kind of very slightly shape-shifting

1471
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,480
very so slightly where you almost

1472
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,000
you notice it but you almost don't

1473
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,520
notice it so so this plasma thing uh i

1474
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,960
asked the question in the chat room last

1475
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,720
night it says could it be conscious

1476
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,880
could it be sentient and there was a

1477
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,400
scientist guy on there said oh well we

1478
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:09,760
have no evidence of that and about it

1479
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,640
i'm like of course we don't have

1480
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:12,000
evidence for it if we did have that

1481
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:12,960
evidence you wouldn't know about it

1482
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,839
because they're not going to tell you

1483
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,839
i'm being sarcastic but but yeah so

1484
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,280
continue on because i'm really this

1485
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,760
plasma thing i think is the key to a lot

1486
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:21,359
of this information that that really

1487
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,400
people haven't fully focused on yet man

1488
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,319
really good point because i just

1489
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:28,800
recently read an article um

1490
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:32,800
by a guy named e.w holmes jr

1491
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,400
in the space science reviews and this

1492
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,920
this is uh

1493
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,160
this was published some time ago but

1494
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,760
it it it

1495
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:43,920
this is the strange part transient

1496
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,800
plasma phenomena is and and it's

1497
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,040
relation to inclement weather too we

1498
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,079
need to kind of get into this because

1499
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,640
um plasmas are known to arise when the

1500
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,880
energy levels are high when when a storm

1501
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,280
is manifesting when and it's what's

1502
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,359
really wild about this is coincidentally

1503
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,040
these are all the same times that native

1504
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,200
american cultures warn of these

1505
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:07,440
trickster phenomenas also

1506
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,640
coming in with the dark winds

1507
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,640
manifesting in it kind of gives me

1508
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,319
chills but manifesting in high

1509
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,160
electrical environments

1510
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,800
for many years for many years ball

1511
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:20,720
lightning is considered the thing of

1512
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,720
hoax and myth and totally fake and only

1513
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,520
you know within the last decade or so

1514
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,440
has it really been something that the

1515
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,359
window has opened up and scientists can

1516
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,359
get behind it and say this is a very

1517
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,720
real thing

1518
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,200
and they they're they're observing

1519
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,760
this plasma flow and magnetic fields and

1520
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,400
and agreeing that it's real

1521
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,680
so my question like yours is is it

1522
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:47,680
sentient does it have

1523
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,799
intelligence behind it and i believe it

1524
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,440
does because

1525
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,960
the way these things move

1526
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,400
especially

1527
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,880
you know like like what we caught on

1528
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,359
this camera following a deer

1529
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,680
it is this this

1530
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,000
how is it that a ball of electro

1531
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,480
electric

1532
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,839
energy plasma in in shape and form and

1533
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,280
the way it moves

1534
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,280
very much described

1535
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,799
as uh i love that part of hunt for the

1536
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,960
skinwalker where george knapp and colm

1537
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:24,400
kelleher

1538
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,440
put

1539
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,119
sherman's words

1540
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,079
on paper of what he described this to

1541
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,720
look like literally a fluid swirling

1542
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,160
inside of a crystal clear ball

1543
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,200
plasma i mean it just comes back to this

1544
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:40,880
you know this transient plasma

1545
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,160
phenomenon breaking it down just in from

1546
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,240
a research perspective

1547
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,200
what could cause that this this has to

1548
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:54,910
some kind of energy that has

1549
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:58,319
coagulated and for lack of a better word

1550
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,079
into a particular region and it's moving

1551
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,000
around intelligently it seems

1552
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,400
intelligently controlled when i

1553
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,319
originally

1554
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,400
was researching all of these badlands

1555
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:12,079
along shapeshifter territory in the

1556
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:13,520
uintah basin

1557
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:19,030
i

1558
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,960
super advanced

1559
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,280
drone of some sort

1560
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,079
but as time passes i'm really starting

1561
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,240
to wonder if this isn't something more

1562
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:41,680
ancient in nail in in nature

1563
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,280
if it's not something more uh

1564
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:47,280
more magic in nature from a cosmic

1565
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,720
perspective because

1566
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,680
people have described these ghost lights

1567
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,079
this this

1568
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,319
for for

1569
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,920
hundreds and hundreds of years if not

1570
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,200
millennia

1571
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,480
yeah

1572
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,400
all over the country and then and then

1573
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,799
the world not just i mean we're talking

1574
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,680
about the uh basin but uh and maybe it's

1575
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,839
it might be more condensed in that area

1576
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,760
potentially than other areas but there

1577
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,280
are other areas where these things are

1578
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,880
manifesting

1579
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,880
and i'll real quick side note uh you've

1580
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,880
got a chance to interview ryan bledsoe

1581
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,079
and i don't know if you've got i'm

1582
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,359
guessing you've got a chance to talk to

1583
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,520
chris bledsoe but some of the pictures

1584
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,359
that he showed me on his own phone in

1585
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:27,040
san francisco about three years ago i

1586
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,480
was talking about this on another show

1587
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,000
last night is uh

1588
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:32,000
inside these we'll just call them plasma

1589
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,359
balls just for the sake of this

1590
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,440
conversation much better yeah man yeah

1591
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,079
the faces of uh and you might have seen

1592
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:40,880
these pictures the faces of like a baby

1593
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:43,520
of a of a dog

1594
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,319
of

1595
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,799
different different uh different beings

1596
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,079
let's just say

1597
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,400
are appearing very clearly i mean it's

1598
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:52,240
not like it's hard to see it you can see

1599
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:53,359
them in these

1600
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,400
plasma

1601
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,200
balls or whatever they are so so so that

1602
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,440
to me is evidence and maybe that is the

1603
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,559
reason one of the reasons why why the

1604
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,960
blood shows had every just about every

1605
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,400
intelligence agency send a

1606
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,760
representative over there you know what

1607
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,839
i mean to monitor and to befriend them

1608
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,240
because uh this is very unusual that

1609
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,240
he's got evidence uh now here's the

1610
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,000
other thing that i mentioned and

1611
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,680
we don't have to go deep into this but

1612
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,599
uh i did do some research into

1613
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,480
technology and uh you know darpa is the

1614
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,559
most advanced as far as i know it's got

1615
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,240
some of the most advanced technological

1616
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,920
research that they're doing

1617
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,839
and it's my belief based on some of the

1618
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,680
stuff that i've seen and heard based on

1619
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,160
incredible incredible people

1620
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,799
that they're learning how to mimic

1621
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,400
some of this stuff to where they could

1622
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,480
actually re collect that some people

1623
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,640
like grier speculates about the fake

1624
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,160
alien invasion well

1625
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,400
uh they we do have technology where we

1626
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,960
can manifest things that to most

1627
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,280
observers if not all observers who

1628
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,119
wouldn't know differently would believe

1629
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,559
that what they're seeing

1630
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,720
is more real than what it is i mean in

1631
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,400
other words what you're talking about

1632
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,000
what we're talking about happening out

1633
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,079
there i don't believe the government is

1634
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,599
manifesting those things i think those

1635
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,079
things are real do you agree with me

1636
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,280
yes and the problem is i do agree with

1637
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,160
you the problem is there is

1638
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,119
a lot of data that suggests that the

1639
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,200
military has recreated paranormal

1640
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,880
phenomenon in particular

1641
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,880
areas of warfare

1642
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:24,799
we were talking and discussing about the

1643
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,280
gin in the middle east and the gin is in

1644
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,359
fact there is a similar cultural

1645
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,760
attribute as there is with the native

1646
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:33,680
american culture and some of these

1647
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:36,880
darker entities and it happens in every

1648
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:39,920
culture every culture fears something

1649
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:43,440
there's always a boogeyman and the

1650
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,280
military has recreated

1651
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,960
documentedly recreated paranormal

1652
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:50,400
phenomenon

1653
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,599
um one one very impressive case that

1654
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:55,599
came across to me

1655
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,280
was in vietnam they uh they would

1656
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,799
recreate

1657
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,440
dead soldiers screaming in the fields as

1658
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:05,920
if their ghosts were wandering around

1659
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:09,920
aimlessly to instill fear in the enemy

1660
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,079
and uh it worked this stuff worked so i

1661
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,040
mean this this is i'm not saying i mean

1662
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,040
all's fair in love and war right so i'm

1663
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,960
not saying there's anything against that

1664
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,119
when your life's on the line but at the

1665
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,880
same time

1666
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,480
are these

1667
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,880
tricksters that are stalking people out

1668
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:31,440
in the badlands of utah

1669
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,960
doing so for other purposes absolutely

1670
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,119
there's there's

1671
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,119
there's so many

1672
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,799
so

1673
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:42,799
at least you know being in the area

1674
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:46,480
often uh and speaking with people often

1675
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,680
you find so many cases of

1676
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,200
when you're in

1677
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,359
there and you know you've been there

1678
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,280
when your boots on the ground in the

1679
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,960
area in the moment

1680
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,799
all of a sudden all bets are off and you

1681
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:01,440
know that you're not the one in control

1682
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,640
it's almost as if the landscape itself

1683
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,839
has

1684
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,839
secrets that it's hiding from you and

1685
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,319
and these manifest in different ways if

1686
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,400
you're there long enough it's not a

1687
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,079
matter of if it's going to happen it's a

1688
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,480
matter of when as many of the bureau of

1689
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,480
indian affairs officers have told me so

1690
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,240
yeah man i mean

1691
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,839
one more thing i want two things i want

1692
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,240
to ask you so that so you know about the

1693
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,040
the what the triangle that what appeared

1694
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,720
to be a massive triangle that that we

1695
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,319
filmed last year when we're out there

1696
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,880
and then later uh when ryan and i excuse

1697
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,960
me that ran uh when jeff and i went and

1698
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,040
you allowed us to stay overnight on your

1699
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,440
property there uh he's you know i'm sure

1700
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,599
you've seen the video that jeff set up

1701
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,520
overnight he was just filming in the sky

1702
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,960
while we were sleeping and then the next

1703
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,680
day or the day after he was reviewing it

1704
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,599
and he also captured what looked like a

1705
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,160
triangle object have you personally seen

1706
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,640
this these triangle objects or film them

1707
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,319
or heard stories about them i'm just

1708
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,079
trying to look for cooper uh

1709
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:00,160
corroboration to what we've seen

1710
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:03,680
absolutely in fact very recently this

1711
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:07,119
brings about something super super wild

1712
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,079
um

1713
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:10,880
very recently july 22nd

1714
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:15,200
there was a very strange uh ufo there

1715
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,720
were there were some other things that

1716
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,319
were coming out of hill air force base

1717
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,559
at the time having to do with

1718
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,079
archaeology and there's a whole subset

1719
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,640
of conspiratorial angles to this

1720
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,480
where a particular

1721
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,039
archaeologist a female came out

1722
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:33,760
and was dropping knowledge bombs about

1723
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:36,559
something found in the west desert uttr

1724
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:40,960
dugway aka dugway and um

1725
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,079
about a very well-known uh doctor of

1726
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:46,319
archaeology who had found something out

1727
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,200
there

1728
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,720
she

1729
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:51,520
insinuated that it was human in origin

1730
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,559
uh 9 700 to 12 000 years old so going

1731
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,160
way outside of the timeline that is

1732
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:58,559
currently scientifically accepted for

1733
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,599
humans

1734
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:01,520
and in addition

1735
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:04,960
she um kind of insinuated that it may be

1736
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,990
how do i put this biological in nature

1737
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:13,839
but

1738
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,319
the uh here's the kicker she put posted

1739
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,960
some videos on tick tock um you know how

1740
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,799
tick-tock is it moves very quickly and

1741
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,720
virally and

1742
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,240
there were a lot of people asking a lot

1743
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,640
of questions she immediately

1744
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:29,119
removed all of her videos from tik-tok

1745
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,640
except for a few

1746
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,680
and then quickly recanted her story

1747
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,400
posted a proof of life video that's how

1748
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,559
far this moved how quickly this moved

1749
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,280
posted a proof of life video

1750
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,240
from in front of her residents

1751
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,240
basically saying hey i'm still alive

1752
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,079
everybody calmed down what i said was

1753
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:50,799
blown out of proportion and i'm i'm

1754
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:55,829
kind of in my words

1755
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,920
uh saying what she said that this isn't

1756
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,319
word for word but this is my proof of

1757
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,720
life video i blew things out of a

1758
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,039
proportion please forgive me

1759
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,079
and um just so you guys know i'm not

1760
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,880
into conspiracies or aliens and she kind

1761
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,200
of threw that out there without any

1762
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,359
reason to throw that out there

1763
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,319
and shortly thereafter there was a what

1764
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,960
in my opinion may have been an official

1765
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,640
cover story

1766
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:24,960
coming out of hill air force base about

1767
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,599
this prominent doctor in archaeology who

1768
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,960
had found some footprints out at uttr at

1769
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,000
dugway

1770
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,280
and

1771
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,680
there's images of the footprints online

1772
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:37,280
you can go to i'll send you this stuff

1773
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,039
if you need it it's pretty amazing in my

1774
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:41,359
opinion and yeah i'd like to see that

1775
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,559
yeah the timeline is um almost identical

1776
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:46,960
to what she had mentioned this 9 700 to

1777
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:50,079
12 000 year old timeline however what is

1778
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,680
mind-blowing to me

1779
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:54,240
is one what is this guy doing out in the

1780
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,520
middle of a uh testing range

1781
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,839
without was he looking for these things

1782
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,559
it number two these footprints are not

1783
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,359
in my opinion very uh impressive to say

1784
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,559
the least

1785
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,400
so basically they had

1786
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,640
carbon dated these footprints which is

1787
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,160
if you go into the research of that

1788
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:13,920
that's also very difficult to do and the

1789
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,240
variables are immense

1790
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,440
exponentially especially as time goes on

1791
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,839
in my opinion and that of others there's

1792
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,920
something more to the story now going

1793
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,319
back to the original uh conversation we

1794
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,359
were having

1795
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,839
in roy utah this is roughly the same

1796
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,119
exact time

1797
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,920
july 22nd there was a very strange

1798
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:36,559
sighting of a ufo

1799
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,520
that

1800
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,839
was posted in various places on the

1801
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,359
internet

1802
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,920
especially in these utah investigatory

1803
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,680
websites

1804
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:47,599
and

1805
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,599
july 23rd

1806
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,440
one of the researchers and a close

1807
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,680
friend of mine jeremy mackey up in the

1808
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,599
uintah basin of utah

1809
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:58,480
filmed the same so the very next day he

1810
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,839
filmed the same without a doubt the same

1811
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,960
ufo

1812
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,760
hovering over the uinta basin of utah

1813
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,440
and

1814
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:09,440
at spacewolf research right there at the

1815
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:12,799
base camp our cameras caught glimpses of

1816
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,960
the same ufo so this was in his opinion

1817
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,039
triangular in nature

1818
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:21,359
very similar to what you filmed

1819
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,400
and

1820
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,079
you know when it comes to triangles

1821
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:26,160
there's a lot of argument online about

1822
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,680
whether or not these are government or

1823
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,000
not and i you know there's there's the

1824
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,119
tr-3b there's other deltas there's a lot

1825
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,359
of argument online about whether these

1826
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:37,520
are ours or theirs whether it matters or

1827
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,920
not i don't know but to kind of yeah

1828
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,440
just to kind of stir the pot a little

1829
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:43,839
bit super recently

1830
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:44,799
some

1831
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,839
i mean documented footage from not one

1832
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,839
two or three but more sources than you

1833
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,079
can imagine and also some really weird

1834
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,839
inklings coming out of hill air force

1835
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,599
base

1836
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,079
justifying an archaeological find that

1837
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:00,559
in my opinion was

1838
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,000
far from being as as as big a deal as

1839
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,599
they seemed to you uh let me let me

1840
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,720
interrupt you real quick have you

1841
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,079
personally i'm gonna guess the answer is

1842
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,799
gonna be yes have you done any recon out

1843
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:13,200
there in the vicinity of hill uh hill

1844
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,480
air force base yet the closest i've done

1845
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,960
is uh just being in layton utah i mean

1846
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,839
it's hard to avoid being in layton utah

1847
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,079
it's kind of a base town

1848
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,920
i've gone up and visited ryan leighton

1849
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,760
one of the very first researchers up

1850
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,000
there in the basin to speak with the

1851
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,920
shermans the um

1852
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,280
terry and gwen

1853
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,559
and they uh to put it bluntly i mean

1854
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,200
hill air force base is a air force town

1855
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,599
i mean that's what makes it click

1856
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,520
and ryan leighton lives right there in

1857
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,359
layton i mean he's he's got a long

1858
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,440
familial history of the town obviously

1859
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:49,440
with his surname and

1860
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:50,319
uh

1861
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:53,359
you know when he first spoke with terry

1862
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,480
sherman

1863
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,480
they're on the property and what he

1864
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,640
called the magical mystery tour which is

1865
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,720
probably one of the most amazing

1866
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:03,200
conversations when you get him to talk

1867
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,160
about it

1868
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,000
you know here he is boots on the ground

1869
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:08,480
one of the first guys uh other than the

1870
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,000
owner himself getting walked through the

1871
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,319
steps you know being pointed out the

1872
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,640
areas where certain things happened

1873
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:18,239
and

1874
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,520
um

1875
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,359
mr sherman was under the impression that

1876
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,279
this was 100

1877
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,799
much like myself when i first came

1878
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:26,560
across some of this phenomena that this

1879
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,560
was 100 military in nature and origin he

1880
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:33,600
was sure that he was going to find some

1881
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,120
guy behind some tree with some kind of

1882
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,159
doodad doohickey device or military toy

1883
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,759
of some sort and he was going to beat

1884
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,560
the living crap out of him and

1885
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,359
what he found over time is really the

1886
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,359
more eerie suggestion

1887
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:51,520
that there's nobody behind any of those

1888
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:54,400
trees there's uh

1889
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,319
there's more going on is is the military

1890
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,400
involved and interested of course

1891
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,080
they're interested

1892
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,040
um doesn't mean they're to blame

1893
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,480
yeah yeah so let's uh i don't know

1894
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:10,239
we probably i i could talk to you all

1895
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,679
day but i know you like to try to keep

1896
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,679
it short but yeah man go back to let's

1897
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,600
go back to that story that uh if you

1898
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,719
wouldn't mind

1899
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,920
where you were out there with your

1900
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,920
friend and and then and then you saw

1901
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,600
those lights following those guys around

1902
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,679
and then and then they went into their

1903
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,600
their their barracks or their wherever

1904
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:27,120
they sleep at night and then all of a

1905
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,159
sudden

1906
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,239
these these light objects i'll call them

1907
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:32,159
started slowly kind of moving your

1908
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,359
direction

1909
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,799
and then at that and i remember the

1910
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:37,040
story so well because it's just blazed

1911
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,319
in my brain

1912
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,000
and then you guys were kind of watching

1913
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,560
this and then you got concerned

1914
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,880
and you thought well let's let's move on

1915
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,640
here and then you started kind of moving

1916
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,640
away back towards the area where you're

1917
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,799
located and

1918
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,239
they got to the point where they were

1919
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,000
getting close enough where you felt the

1920
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,400
need to just kind of jump down in this

1921
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,159
ditch could you take the story from

1922
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,040
there if you wouldn't mind yeah first

1923
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:07,110
come out and say ahead of time

1924
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,640
that um to anybody listening that there

1925
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,560
is a

1926
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:14,239
the powers that be still maintained

1927
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,159
guards at this area so don't go try to

1928
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,800
visit unannounced

1929
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,159
and

1930
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,640
at this time

1931
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,000
this was a completely different

1932
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,520
ownership

1933
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,679
in effect there were completely

1934
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,840
different affairs taking place and we

1935
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:33,440
were technically

1936
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:34,320
um

1937
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,199
not

1938
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,360
on property so let me let me let me go

1939
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,960
ahead and it's just certainly this was

1940
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,880
before brandon fugle took over i'm

1941
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,640
assuming yeah this is integral to the

1942
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,679
story of the sherman um so let's you

1943
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,400
know they're in those in those times

1944
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,480
there were different vantage points that

1945
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,480
could be effectively

1946
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,440
um especially with permission from

1947
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,159
anyway i won't go into it but times were

1948
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,719
different so let's just start there and

1949
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:02,320
uh

1950
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,280
yes

1951
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,280
um to answer and to go into this

1952
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,760
question really quickly

1953
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,040
um

1954
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,960
we were

1955
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,120
just relying on

1956
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,280
vision and what we were seeing take

1957
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:18,159
place in this hot spot we were worried

1958
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:19,199
that

1959
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:23,040
this otherwise inexplicable

1960
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,640
light that seemed to be able to traverse

1961
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,560
great distances in shorts amounts of

1962
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,719
time especially when it turned itself

1963
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:32,960
off which is kind of an integral part of

1964
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,239
the story these lights were able to uh

1965
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,320
follow people around at least when you

1966
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:41,120
were seeing them from a third angle or

1967
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,320
from a third party perspective

1968
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,480
in our opinion it seemed as if these

1969
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:48,239
lights were very much stalking

1970
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,520
individuals

1971
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:51,280
right there in the vicinity

1972
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,360
then we noticed that these lights

1973
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:57,920
to just kind of

1974
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,960
move on these lights came up

1975
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,159
to

1976
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,920
a location

1977
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,400
where we were and when these lights

1978
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,560
would turn off they would cover ground

1979
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:11,280
very quickly we had different names for

1980
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,560
them at the time spy bees or drones we

1981
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,560
were still unsure if they were military

1982
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:17,920
or

1983
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,679
actual phenomenon of some type and

1984
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,840
but what we did know is that they didn't

1985
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:26,400
move like anything we'd ever seen before

1986
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,440
and uh sure enough um

1987
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,600
this particular location myself and

1988
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,199
another researcher

1989
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:36,400
were in a quote-unquote safe area

1990
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,360
and

1991
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,120
this

1992
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:41,280
light or lights

1993
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,120
seem to immediately

1994
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,280
unhumanly possible

1995
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:49,920
from a technological perspective in my

1996
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,159
limited range

1997
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,800
to see us from such a distance

1998
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,199
that they began to

1999
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,560
come in our general direction coming up

2000
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:03,520
a very rocky

2001
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,159
practically

2002
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,679
unconceivable way

2003
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,920
to where we were located

2004
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,679
and uh

2005
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,280
sure enough we both agreed that they

2006
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,600
were on to us they were coming for us

2007
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:17,360
what were we going to do

2008
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,360
so we hid down in what we know and call

2009
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,480
the crack

2010
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,080
which is just basically and there's a

2011
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,920
lot of them just basically two big rock

2012
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:28,159
formations and a small

2013
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,920
area where you can

2014
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,679
get a couple of human bodies between

2015
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,600
these rock formations and sort of try to

2016
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,120
get off the radar

2017
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,360
and we we

2018
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,400
got down in this crack between the rocks

2019
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,520
uh very sandy almost talcum powdery dust

2020
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:45,120
at the bottom like there is on a lot of

2021
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,280
the um surrounding landscape

2022
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,040
and uh

2023
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,679
you could see the light coming you know

2024
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,400
through the angle of the rock and oh my

2025
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,960
gosh what are we gonna do

2026
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,440
to make a long story

2027
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,520
i remember it it hovered over you and

2028
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,280
and it was very bright

2029
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:07,040
and if i remember right you said that

2030
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:08,239
you guys

2031
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,280
just

2032
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,199
whether it was a verbal agreement or not

2033
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,880
you just you just stayed there and

2034
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,560
didn't move you was kind of praying that

2035
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:16,960
these things would go away correct and

2036
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,000
it did it did exactly that eric it it

2037
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,159
it shined down on us it was very bright

2038
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,840
i remember looking

2039
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,320
at my shadow on the ground and just not

2040
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,480
believing how bright this light was

2041
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,120
especially for something of this size

2042
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:33,280
i mean they seem very small

2043
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,640
and

2044
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,239
um

2045
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,960
after we were the size of a of a like a

2046
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,120
volleyball or a basketball or bigger or

2047
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,640
smaller how would you how would you

2048
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,320
describe the size we were able to look

2049
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,159
were you able to peek up and look a

2050
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,600
little bit at them or were they so

2051
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,760
bright that they were too blinding this

2052
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,679
is what's fascinating if you could

2053
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,800
picture

2054
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,640
three

2055
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,640
have you seen the movie phantasm where

2056
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,320
there's that

2057
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,600
yeah death ball that chrome ball with a

2058
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,120
blade on it

2059
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,520
if if you could picture three of those

2060
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,080
without the blade in a triangular

2061
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,280
formation

2062
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,640
so three

2063
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,280
silvery reflective balls

2064
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,840
flying in a tran triangular formation

2065
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,840
not connected in any way shape or form

2066
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:20,000
but keeping formation

2067
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,199
that is exactly what it appeared to be

2068
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,320
and at random it could

2069
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,080
engage or

2070
01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:30,239
light up and power

2071
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,640
in a

2072
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:33,840
180 degree

2073
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,280
angle so um it could shine forward but

2074
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,440
not backward or whatever it was looking

2075
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,520
quote unquote looking at

2076
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:43,040
and

2077
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,800
very chrome shiny metallic balls

2078
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,440
flying in a triangular formation

2079
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,520
this was nighttime right but but yet i'm

2080
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,760
gonna guess that you could see them in

2081
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,080
this chrome form was it was the moon out

2082
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,760
i mean you you were out they were so

2083
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:59,120
close you could actually see these

2084
01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,640
things other than when they were lit is

2085
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,080
that what you're saying yeah when they

2086
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,159
got close enough um they didn't have to

2087
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,480
be very far away to seem like they they

2088
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,640
were invisible however when they were

2089
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:10,320
right next to you and i mean we're

2090
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:13,520
talking six seven feet away

2091
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,280
you could actually make out there was

2092
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,199
enough of moonlight that you could make

2093
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:18,840
out that they were

2094
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,040
three chrome or silver balls

2095
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,280
reflecting just enough that you could

2096
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,679
you could make it out not connected not

2097
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,360
connected they were maneuvering

2098
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,760
independent but in formation

2099
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,360
any sound coming from these things

2100
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,280
completely silent

2101
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:36,960
and uh

2102
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,840
it what's odd is after we were flashed i

2103
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,440
immediately thought are we okay are we

2104
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,360
gonna die of cancer what just happened

2105
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,840
what's going on we were you know

2106
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:47,600
checking each other out we're fine and

2107
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,199
then we heard a thud in that soft talcum

2108
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,800
powdery like

2109
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,040
desert sand

2110
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,520
just up and over the crack well being

2111
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,679
researchers and investigators by nature

2112
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,760
we obviously were intrigued at this

2113
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:03,199
point our safety went out the window

2114
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,320
again

2115
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,880
and we peeked up and peered over this

2116
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,000
crack

2117
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:09,520
to where

2118
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,080
this formation this this light source

2119
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,560
these balls had just landed into the

2120
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,400
desert floor

2121
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,280
and you could still see the talcami

2122
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:20,560
uh

2123
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,719
dust kind of settling of where it had

2124
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,760
landed

2125
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,159
and we crawled out like hey man we might

2126
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,920
actually be able to box this up and have

2127
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:28,880
some

2128
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,920
real data and um

2129
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,840
just as that thought was going through

2130
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:35,679
my mind uh

2131
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,990
kind of a small much like the native

2132
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:45,920
americans describe

2133
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,760
shapeshifter dark adept uh

2134
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,280
where animal

2135
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,480
sort of entities manifesting

2136
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,040
in these dust devils

2137
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,120
this thing or the way the gin is

2138
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,199
obviously described in the middle east

2139
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:03,040
as a smokeless fire

2140
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:05,120
it started swirling

2141
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:05,920
and

2142
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,880
these

2143
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:08,800
almost

2144
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,840
invis they were just like gnats or fleas

2145
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:14,480
or flies or like fruit flies the size of

2146
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,280
them

2147
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,199
um let me interrupt you without this

2148
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:19,120
point when they're swirling are they

2149
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:22,480
still soundless totally soundless

2150
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,480
and i remember right they were talking

2151
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,800
these things were less than 20 or 30

2152
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,719
feet away from you is that correct oh my

2153
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,440
gosh man we were

2154
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,920
way less way less than way less than i

2155
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,920
mean like 10 feet maybe or something if

2156
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:38,080
i remember possibly yeah you're you're

2157
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,920
getting close there yeah right around

2158
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,239
there and this thing i mean close enough

2159
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,640
that we're getting real we got four eyes

2160
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,880
on it we're getting a real good view of

2161
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:47,679
it

2162
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,440
much like um

2163
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,400
gosh just like a dust devil but you know

2164
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,159
it just seems like it's coming out of

2165
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,400
the ground it's swirling they're the

2166
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,880
size of fruit flies are slightly larger

2167
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:04,159
possibly

2168
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:07,040
and almost like nano particles

2169
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:10,480
swirling like a dark mist like a dark

2170
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:13,840
mist and then it materializes into a

2171
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:17,120
canine right before our very eyes

2172
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,880
just as solid a thing as um the desk in

2173
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:23,440
front of me and we both looked at each

2174
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,120
other like what in the literal f

2175
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,239
and it started walking uh diagonally

2176
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,600
towards us

2177
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:32,960
and

2178
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:36,159
we freaked out i mean we both literally

2179
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,440
freaked out

2180
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,280
hung on to each other like we were two

2181
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,360
scared chipmunks in the wind

2182
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,880
and

2183
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,080
it demanifested almost as quickly as it

2184
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,719
manifested it

2185
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,880
deep partic like the particles

2186
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:52,960
demanifested

2187
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:55,760
and um it was gone and i mean this thing

2188
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,440
was so close we could have reached out

2189
01:20:03,669 --> 01:19:59,360
and pet it at this point

2190
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,679
we got a very good look at it uh very

2191
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:05,920
would you say that this uh this creature

2192
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,639
or whatever animal it appeared to be was

2193
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,719
bigger than a standard animal of that

2194
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,280
nature or was it or was it the same size

2195
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,120
as like a wolf or something like that or

2196
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,520
what would you say very wolf-like yeah

2197
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,239
very wolf-like um a large wolf or just a

2198
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,080
regular-sized wolf would you say you

2199
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,719
know i wouldn't put it in now i've we've

2200
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,600
seen bigger wolves than this one

2201
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,400
but it was definitely wolf-like uh we've

2202
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,040
seen those crazy what people talk about

2203
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:35,600
these crazy elk sized and deer-sized

2204
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,639
wolves

2205
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,480
following the waterways or up on the

2206
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,560
ridges we've seen these

2207
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:43,679
it was not that big but it was not small

2208
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:46,960
it was definitely a large and hefty

2209
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,239
canine enough that it could perfectly

2210
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,880
mess us up

2211
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,800
so what happened next so this thing

2212
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:56,639
dematerializes

2213
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:58,639
you've got a moment to breathe do you

2214
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,320
have a brief conversation with your

2215
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,800
partner or did the next scene happen

2216
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,040
immediately thereafter no words there

2217
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,000
was no word literally disbelief in what

2218
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:10,400
we had just seen um

2219
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,000
and uh

2220
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,639
as we started to chatter

2221
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,880
we noticed that from the same general

2222
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:18,080
direction

2223
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:26,870
less intimidating a porcupine much

2224
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:29,360
smaller and this is where things get

2225
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:30,400
strange

2226
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,360
um

2227
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:33,280
it was not acting like a typical

2228
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,639
porcupine it was making strange sounds

2229
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,560
it sat up on its

2230
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,520
on its

2231
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,920
butt and it was sitting there and it

2232
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,679
grabbed a rock

2233
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:46,159
and it was playing with the rock much

2234
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:50,239
like a um rolling the rock on the ground

2235
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,600
in front of us in a circular nature yeah

2236
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,760
and it

2237
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:57,840
this is where things get we at this

2238
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,800
point we are literally like are we in a

2239
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,440
time warp or is this even happening it

2240
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,199
just started rolling a rock on the

2241
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:06,880
ground in a circular nature sitting

2242
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:09,520
there like a person looking at us like

2243
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,159
just kind of seeing how this particular

2244
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,719
observation was going if this was a

2245
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,960
better way to interact and if we were

2246
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:18,880
going to freak out about this

2247
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:21,679
and um that's the way the trickster is i

2248
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,840
don't know for a fact if the second

2249
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:26,239
animal was just a whacked-out crazy

2250
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:27,679
porcupine

2251
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,080
that um had lost its mind or like my

2252
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,760
the fellow researcher said what's gonna

2253
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,440
happen is is it gonna light up a

2254
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,440
cigarette and start talking to us it was

2255
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,199
not acting

2256
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,080
normal and um

2257
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,679
but that's the problem when you're in

2258
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,320
these states and in these areas these

2259
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,000
altered areas

2260
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,719
where dark adepts and shape

2261
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:52,960
where this stalking can occur

2262
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:55,440
you're literally at the whim of some of

2263
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,320
these

2264
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,960
precognitive sentient intelligences that

2265
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,360
obviously have powers that exceed our

2266
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,560
own so all you can do is watch but

2267
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,400
anyway i don't want to keep going on

2268
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,159
that um

2269
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,760
what there was one what was the final

2270
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,440
part of the story though what didn't it

2271
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:13,199
then it backed off if i remember right

2272
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,280
but then didn't it re-manifest again

2273
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,920
back into the wolf or something no

2274
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:20,400
no that was it the um

2275
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,920
yeah the real the real crazy thing was

2276
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,679
just seeing that

2277
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,239
composition of

2278
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,960
almost nanoparticles turn into a solid

2279
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,960
object right before our eyes i mean you

2280
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,760
can't make this stuff up it's not

2281
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,400
no it's just not anything that fits in

2282
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,960
any of the boxes

2283
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,560
and i just want to say this since we're

2284
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,480
live and we're discussing this will be

2285
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:46,239
is uh you know one of the things that

2286
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:47,520
i've been doing

2287
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,080
is before i really get into any research

2288
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,280
topic is as i research the researchers

2289
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,360
and it's my opinion not because i like

2290
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,280
you and you're my kind of my friend i'd

2291
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,679
say a new friendship but i don't i don't

2292
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,520
think that you are embellishing or

2293
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:03,920
making up or exaggerating or trying to

2294
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,560
gain any kind of fame or popularity by

2295
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,800
telling any of this information i i find

2296
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,560
you to be very sincere and genuine and

2297
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,360
very intelligent and you're you're so i

2298
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:14,719
believe what you're telling me and if

2299
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,239
people are listening they don't believe

2300
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,920
it then they they need to do more

2301
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,679
research and then try to figure out you

2302
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,600
know what's legit and what's not i just

2303
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,239
i get irritated with oh that dot so and

2304
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,080
so said this and that's probably a bunch

2305
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,880
of this it's like shut up just shut up

2306
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,159
and

2307
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,159
you really get a lot more done when you

2308
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:33,920
don't draw attention to yourself i'll

2309
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,560
throw that out there um i wish that

2310
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,159
wouldn't have happened and i didn't have

2311
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:41,840
that story but it did happen and um

2312
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,639
there's a hundred stories just like it

2313
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,639
with locals in the area

2314
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,560
and whether or not they come forward

2315
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,880
with it or not really depends on the

2316
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,360
time you catch them the mood they're in

2317
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,360
what were the occurrences taking place

2318
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:57,920
that evening there are so many stories

2319
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:02,080
of cryptids um werewolf like animals dog

2320
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,960
men

2321
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:05,760
and uh for lack of a better word dark

2322
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:09,440
adepts that i mean the oral tradition

2323
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,880
has spoken of these for 15 generations

2324
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,960
that we're aware of so

2325
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,040
this is something that was there long

2326
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,280
before long before

2327
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:21,679
you know philo t farnsworth from utah

2328
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,080
invented the television this was

2329
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,560
this was stuff going on long before

2330
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,480
people and that's why

2331
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,040
so many of these traditions

2332
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,960
keep this stuff close to the chest and

2333
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:34,800
don't discuss them because the minute

2334
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,400
you do discuss them it seems as if

2335
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:40,320
that person's integrity is put to the

2336
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:41,280
test

2337
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,480
and people question their sanity and to

2338
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,080
be honest with you

2339
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,679
myself and this other researcher have

2340
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,920
spoken many times

2341
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:52,400
exactly about that like what did we see

2342
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:55,040
were we saying what was taking place

2343
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,239
and

2344
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,000
how could we possibly see something like

2345
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,120
that if it wasn't real so

2346
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,199
it is you know it's a story i wish i

2347
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,040
didn't have but it's something i really

2348
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,040
saw and um

2349
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,520
it it's it's just

2350
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,040
like i said

2351
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,199
innumerable other accounts from other

2352
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:15,920
individuals that have very similar

2353
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:19,280
stories if not more wild and uh

2354
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,400
yeah man

2355
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,560
lastly as we wrap up here

2356
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,360
what um what's what what's your next

2357
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,000
adventure what are you concentrating on

2358
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,320
more and uh where can people keep up

2359
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,080
with you or get in touch with you or

2360
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:34,159
even converse with you online

2361
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,120
yeah

2362
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,000
again it's uh eric at awakening man and

2363
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,159
then i've also somebody tagged me

2364
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,000
recently uh duke sullivan from world

2365
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,000
bigfoot radio radio called me the

2366
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,520
adventuring man

2367
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:47,040
uh so i thought i kind of liked that

2368
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,800
actually because that's really what i am

2369
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,400
so that's kind of a little yeah but

2370
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,280
anyway yeah so my my plan now is to uh

2371
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,480
i'm going back to montana up to the uh

2372
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,639
the site up there in missoula where last

2373
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,560
year i was with uh some bigfoot

2374
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,480
researchers some really uh one of the

2375
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,400
guys that i eventually actually went out

2376
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,440
to falc arkansas william munsford who's

2377
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,760
took me to his research area and i saw

2378
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,920
some things and blew my mind actually

2379
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,159
but saw more tree structures but so yeah

2380
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:16,400
i'm going back to montana probably next

2381
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,440
weekend

2382
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,880
and we're going to go do some more

2383
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:21,120
research and back to the areas where we

2384
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:23,120
saw the three structures and hopefully

2385
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,639
you know how it is you go you go

2386
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,400
somewhere

2387
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,040
you gotta for me i you gotta go in just

2388
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,880
kind of free flowing and not with

2389
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,040
anticipation anticipation

2390
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:34,960
of anything happening you just you just

2391
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,199
accept that whatever experience that

2392
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,199
you're given that you're grateful for so

2393
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,199
i i don't know i'm hoping i'm really

2394
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,040
hoping eventually

2395
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,120
to have a more of a dire like i tell my

2396
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:46,960
friends i just want a bigfoot to throw a

2397
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:49,280
rock at me and if he hits me and it

2398
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:50,800
doesn't hurt that's fine you know i i

2399
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,120
just want to have a little bit more

2400
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,600
of a i mean i've heard the sounds

2401
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:57,199
i've seen the trees that were pushed

2402
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,719
over when we were there last time but

2403
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:00,239
that happened live while we were there

2404
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,000
two giant trees came down in the middle

2405
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:03,920
of forests uh we've seen the tree

2406
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,320
structures so that was a great uh that

2407
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,000
is what's enticing me to go back this

2408
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:10,000
year because i'm hoping that maybe

2409
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,679
whatever these things are

2410
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,480
that they would be uh so kind as to kill

2411
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,000
themselves you know i mean that's that's

2412
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,000
a pipe dream but you never know you

2413
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,560
never know so yeah so i so montana then

2414
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,400
on the way back i'm stopping in swan

2415
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,040
valley idaho where i met a man last year

2416
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,280
who has property out there like 10 miles

2417
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:28,400
of property out in the middle of the

2418
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,360
forest

2419
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,760
uh he says he's i could camp on a site

2420
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,360
he tells me that the bigfoot come

2421
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,199
through his property every year and

2422
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,520
steal all the apples off his apple tree

2423
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,760
he's got an area out there that he hunts

2424
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,199
in where he's seeing piles of bones

2425
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,960
uh that he's going to take me out there

2426
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,960
and show me uh where these gravy knew

2427
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,760
you know

2428
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,760
why would there be piles of bones in the

2429
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,600
middle of the forest i mean what did he

2430
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,080
would humans do that i don't think so so

2431
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:56,159
yeah and then back to utah i'm going to

2432
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,679
hang out with jeff brunell and we're

2433
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,520
going to go up to the uh

2434
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,679
the forest up there what's that forest

2435
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,440
up there that's about 11 000 feet i

2436
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,000
can't remember the uintas yeah

2437
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:08,159
yeah we're gonna go up there and maybe

2438
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,800
uh do some camping where we actually

2439
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,639
last year where we were going through

2440
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,560
there by with a guide that says that

2441
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,480
he's having uh

2442
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,239
interactions with these bigfoot up there

2443
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,400
matter of fact but what's again this is

2444
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
this is hard to believe but

2445
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,080
in this world that's that's there's so

2446
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,840
many stories that sound crazy but

2447
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:27,760
sometimes after you have an experience

2448
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:29,360
or two and you see things you start to

2449
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,480
think well

2450
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,480
maybe there is a possibility that this

2451
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,320
guy's telling the truth but he said that

2452
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:36,320
he's having interactions with them like

2453
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:37,360
literal

2454
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,520
habitual you know he's habitating with

2455
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,360
these these beings where they know him

2456
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:43,280
and he goes up there and he's

2457
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:44,880
interacting with them and he showed us

2458
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,560
our tree structures and

2459
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,719
and so i don't know you know how legit

2460
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,040
this guy is but so round two it's always

2461
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:53,040
to me it's always the second time

2462
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:54,080
through

2463
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,000
uh is as you're a little more prepared

2464
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,920
you kind of know what you're doing more

2465
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,920
so than the first time you're there so

2466
01:30:04,830 --> 01:30:02,000
so yeah that's that's going to be august

2467
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:04,840
and then we'll see after that september

2468
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:08,239
october was you know i'm excited i lost

2469
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:11,600
20 pounds of last summer and i'm i got

2470
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:13,280
better shape so i'm ready to hike i

2471
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,560
could go two and a half three hours

2472
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,400
hiking in the forest and and not getting

2473
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:17,840
exhausted and that's kind of what the

2474
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:21,280
plan is to really get deep in there yeah

2475
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,960
so yeah i'm excited i'll i'll definitely

2476
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,800
be post if anything happens though i'll

2477
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:26,000
call you and we'll do another show if

2478
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,480
you definitely do and i will also be in

2479
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,239
august in utah i don't know if you can

2480
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,040
make it it's an amazing think tank and a

2481
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,800
gathering oh that's right that's about

2482
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:37,199
the 17th or the 16th or something uh

2483
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,800
it's it's known as the moon lake

2484
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:40,639
gathering it's actually at altamonte

2485
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:43,520
city park and it's august 12th and 13th

2486
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,520
they're going to feature topics

2487
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,000
uh lost gold mines i remember reading

2488
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,840
that i'm and i do want to go and i

2489
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,679
matter of fact i will go so

2490
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,600
my goal will be to spend like a week up

2491
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,920
there in montana then come back down to

2492
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,560
and hang out with jeff at his house and

2493
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:00,480
i'll plan it in a way where i could be

2494
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,920
at that event that you're talking about

2495
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,400
because that sounds like a real uh

2496
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:06,080
educational event that's going to go

2497
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:07,360
down yeah there's going to be great

2498
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,719
people there and there's a mystery

2499
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:10,480
speaker that you don't want to miss i'll

2500
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,040
send you the info right after we get off

2501
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:15,120
yeah super yeah i'm excited so yeah

2502
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:16,480
we'll be seeing each other then in a

2503
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,840
couple two or three weeks i'm looking

2504
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,120
forward to it

2505
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,679
um so yeah super super glad to meet you

2506
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:23,360
thanks for having me on your show i

2507
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:25,600
really don't do very many shows but if i

2508
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,920
trust the person like you i'll get on

2509
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,280
there and just tell my stories with no

2510
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,760
fear uh some of these shows you know as

2511
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:33,520
you know you get on these shows and they

2512
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,320
just want to harass you or or hassle you

2513
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,239
or whatever it's like i don't have time

2514
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,239
for that yeah i mean

2515
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:41,920
i appreciate just talking to a

2516
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,480
researcher that's the real deal and uh i

2517
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:46,719
don't know you are so have a great rest

2518
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:48,880
of your day thanks so much eric okay

2519
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,520
take care buddy bye-bye

2520
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:54,159
man there you have it eric the awakening

2521
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,960
man

2522
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,199
possibly now going to be the adventuring

2523
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,920
man he's the real deal always in the

2524
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:00,880
field

2525
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,920
never ever just kicking back and

2526
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:06,239
listening to what others say he's out

2527
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:08,960
investigating him himself talking to

2528
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:11,360
people who are boots on the ground as he

2529
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:13,040
stands beside them

2530
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:14,960
if you want to keep up with him

2531
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:18,159
basically keep an eye out for eric

2532
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,840
awakening man or soon to possibly become

2533
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,440
adventuring man

2534
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,120
you know where he's at you can always

2535
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:27,199
hopefully hear him here we'll definitely

2536
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:29,120
try to get him back on the podcast as

2537
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,159
soon as possible or if you are going to

2538
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:34,960
be able to be in utah in august that's

2539
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,840
this august 12th and 13th it sounds like

2540
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,520
he'll be there as well

2541
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:41,760
the moon lake gathering also known as

2542
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,040
the 23rd annual morgan powwow will have

2543
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:47,679
featured topics with lost gold mines and

2544
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:50,560
treasure history legends of folklore of

2545
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,360
the area ghosts giants bigfoot

2546
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,600
paranormal and ufos

2547
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:58,080
we are going to have a friday night 5

2548
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,159
p.m to 10 p.m

2549
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,880
uh speakers scott peterson a treasure

2550
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:03,840
hunter

2551
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:06,400
dave bullock a professional storyteller

2552
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,679
myself representing space wolf research

2553
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,000
talking about shape shifters we have

2554
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,480
yutana jessup she's talking about

2555
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:17,040
ancient giants in the area

2556
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,679
saturday that would be august 13th we

2557
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:21,360
have an open mic

2558
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,520
and we're going to go into relics

2559
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:25,600
artifacts and stories we'll bring some

2560
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:27,440
of the artifacts found at spacewolf

2561
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:29,199
research i know some of these treasure

2562
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:30,239
hunters

2563
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:32,159
are also going to bring artifacts

2564
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,480
treasure hunters like terry carter who

2565
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,800
we hope to have on the podcast soon

2566
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:39,760
and saturday night from 5 p.m to 10 p.m

2567
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:42,480
there's going to be a mystery speaker

2568
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,719
you do not want to miss

2569
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:47,040
we're also going to have dave rosenfeld

2570
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:51,760
aka alien dave from the utah ufo hunters

2571
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:54,239
founder of the utah ufo hunters and area

2572
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:58,239
52 tv personality dave bullock again

2573
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,040
talking gold mines and treasure dan lowe

2574
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:04,080
an amazing historian spanish researcher

2575
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,840
and so much more

2576
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,080
try to catch up with eric awakening man

2577
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:10,080
there if you come out something to not

2578
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,440
be missed the 2022 annual moon lake

2579
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:15,280
gathering and it's not one of these

2580
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,960
conferences where there's high ticket

2581
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,199
prices and a bunch of

2582
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,199
people that are just there for the money

2583
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,760
no these are real researchers they're

2584
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:25,840
it's a passion project it's an

2585
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:28,159
absolutely free conference because

2586
01:34:32,950 --> 01:34:29,600
that's how you give back to the

2587
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:32,960
community that supports you be there

2588
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:35,760
check it out going to be amazing until

2589
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,080
next time keep your eyes to the skies

2590
01:34:47,950 --> 01:34:40,480
feet on the ground but don't forget to

2591
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:49,390
[Applause]

2592
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:00,550
come blast off in my time machine third

2593
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:03,679
eye feeling like a knee vision blast off

2594
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:04,880
blast off

2595
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:07,760
glassed off

2596
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:10,639
come blast off in my time machine third